We talk to NCIS legend Christopher Silber.
He talks about his first time working on the franchise, the difficult work environment at the time and getting fired.
But then also his return to the franchise, his continued love for the work and the creation of the Hawaiian iteration of the show.
Christopher discusses the pressure to succeed, the difficulties of being a showrunner - and why he shares the workload with others - and the importance of understanding the toughness of the path of a writer before one sets out.
We talk about learning from bad bosses, how to run a room well and the rare feeling of having a first season of show going smoothly.
A fascinating discussion with a leading showrunner.